Enchant weapon stays, just like Bless.

its good, though i m too lazy to test haste, fire halo, stone skin and dark gift

Units that shouldn't appear in RMG sometimes do, sometimes as guards and so forth. Most recently a opponent attacked me and one of his units was a "empty slot unit" A "wyvern" named unit with pikeman graphics, pathetic stats but dragon status & flying. He couldn't remember for sure where he got it but said he thinks he got it from a quest.

I have reported this before like with ghosts & path units appearing in games and you could just take my word for this, why would I lie? If you seriously still doubt me I have a screen shot, but is that really necessary?

Concerning banish & bind + summon resist, I already gave a very good set of suggestions for that. Besides increasing damage, which doesn't address issues like earth level 4s being way too easy to bind...what other options are there?

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 07-17-2006 @ 04:22 AM).]

True Purple,

I thought I'd mentioned that I knew where these units came from and that I also thought that I had fixed them. I'll double check, though.

Stranger
Can I use some of units presented in dwiggs in my mod?

Yes, of course, although since some of the units are not mine, you would need to contact their creators for permission. Just send me an email with what you want, and I'll let you know what's "mine" and not

Stranger nice to know u are alive

I've been back at school and very busy, Air, sorry But, I have been working at the mod and Joepo has made some very nice Lizard cities, so a patch should be coming soon.

nice to know Joepo is alive too

Btw Sphinxes cost should be 450 so u can build them in 5 turns with order shrine, now itīs missing 10 and in later games there are no time to hurry those. Rocs can be done f.e in 5 turns with warsrhine and slave pit with cost 400.

I thought we were emailing suggestions to stranger instead of posting in the forum like stranger requested.

To post them here also others can say their opinions about that thing. And otherwise this forum is useless.

People saying things about such and such a suggestion and replies and more replies and so on making the thread hard to read is the very reason stranger wants it that way. If he decides to consider it he posts it.

On the other hand he can be slow about responding to emails and so far hasn't posted any. But if he hasn't gotten around to responding to emails then maybe he'd never get around to reading the pages of suggestions and replies that has so far been the fate of this thread.

I apologize in advance if this has been discussed already, I just didnt want to search through the 50 pages in this thread to find out...I'm lazy I guess :P

ANYWAYS, I was playing as elves and I noticed that two of the structures produce the unit Lancer.

Is this a glitch with the instalation, or a bug in the mod that will be fixed in subsequent versions?

Thanks!

It's a bug that will be fixed!

Right on!

Great mod btw...Cant wait for subsequent versions!

So what unit will replace the excess Lancer? (I'm personally rooting for the sharpshooter!)

Yea, i think elfes could need some better 2nd lvl. Their 1st lvl wildblade is better in most cases and lower cost.

Well...email me or post your ideas for a new elvish unit here then and we'll see what sounds good.

What I primarily want to avoid at the thread is fighting over balance issues. So, if you've got those, please email them to me

One area I would like feedback here on is the wizard tower cost. Currently it's 450 gold and 100 mana. Someone suggested in an email that it's too cheap, and I tend to agree. What are your thoughts?

Cheers,

bj

700+200 mana at least as if towers are built everywhere game is going to insanity and after some point is passed get tower is better than 2 lev4 units as it gives access to getting additional + 80 gold, +75 research, teleporter (in this case even +100 gold) also need to mention all wiz tower upgrades are cheap and give huge bonuses compared to normal buildings.

Hey, I'm back after quite a long absence... I'm making a new clean install of AOW:SM and Dwiggs 1.4... I'll let you know which units have graphical glitches... I seem to recall a lot of them dissapearing when they get hit.

It's good to hear from you again, Mitch

Any bug feedback you can provide would be much appreciated!

BJ

archon special building doesnt cast holy light in battle but description says it should

700+200 mana at least as if towers are built everywhere game is going to insanity and after some point is passed get tower is better than 2 lev4 units as it gives access to getting additional + 80 gold, +75 research, teleporter (in this case even +100 gold) also need to mention all wiz tower upgrades are cheap and give huge bonuses compared to normal buildings.

@air Well that additional RPT requires additional initial resources.

Also, Its 70 gpt or 90 with gate with wiz tower and all structures it allows according to the file listing for the game. It also says 95 for research.

Also the tower upgrades give only a bit more in RPT for cost then say a master guild or a seige workshop. (production & gold is ever so useful and mana costs matter too since they increase build time & sometimes someone just needs mana)

On the other hand, wizard towers should be more expensive IMO. This will help shorten games too by reducing the number of towers making it easier to conquire a player in a single battle and more of a reward to own their tower.

My tentative suggestions.
600 gold & 600 mana for a tower. (or even more mana/less gold?)
Towers would give 30 gold & mana (instead of research.)
Wizard tower 2 could cost say about 100 gold & mana.
Wizard tower 3 could cost about 160 gold & mana but not give any addition resources then wizard tower 2. (remember, base wizard towers would be more expensive, and the additional domain radius is ever so much bigger then that before it)
Wizard towers 2 & 3 also to give mpt, not research?

Libraries could give 30-40 research but cost 10-20 gpt. It costs money to maintain those dusty books & staff the structure with librarians and stuff, plus it makes making a library a more strategic decision when it also has a con/negative. Along with a slight increase in cost perhaps?

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 07-30-2006 @ 05:28 PM).]

Can anyone else confirm that the Archon building is not working and, if so, whether another race's structure is giving off the Holy Light spell in combat?

TP, I don't think you can set buildings to cost maintenance gold, but that's an interesting idea.

bj

played a bit dwiggs...

the arch enemy should be better cost gold upkeep so regeneration works without domain. and why does he lack wall crushing?

2 hatchling wyverns alone killed 1 black angel in fc...cause she lacked poison immunity or protection.

great spiders are really powerful found 1 spider spawnd and made several stacks of great spiders out of it while never producing any military units except archers.*lol* who needs the spiderqueen?

werewolf can't see his image.

btw, it sad to see in dwiggs focus is on buildings, focus in aow games should be only on units and tactical combat.

in standard aow you can disable outposts its reall a good game then.

You can disable outposts in dwiggs too. Since growth indicates how soon you get structures quicker growing towns get cap faster. I know most think you need it enabled for dwiggs to be balanced but whos even tried?

Quoted from DM:

No use making such blanket statements. You might as well have said, focus in aow games should only be on undead units and recruitment structures with so little statement validation.

Building is just as much part of the strategic balance of the game as anything else.

Quoted from DM:

You mean dragon hatchlings? Well they do cost 160*2 and angels 320. Also the poison thing would just as much apply to a life angel. & the gap between low level units and high level ones is less in dwiggs. But dragon hatchlings are pretty weak (since they can become dragons) and angels have decent resist. So some of thats probably rng/luck. You had this happen but once? How much health on the two baby dragons?

Angels could use to be a bit better/more expensive IMO to make them more the apocalyptic characters that they are.

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 08-02-2006 @ 04:42 PM).]

I agree with DM about wallcrushing and summoned on demon lord and poison immunity on dark angel

true purple.....

building just become a lot more important in dwiggs and i think its the wrong direction, the buildings are hardly so beautiful nor interesting to make them that important

i am sure everyone agrees that aow sm strenght is tactical combat, or combat in general not constructing all the same generic buildings, and in dwiggs you are forced to build them all if you want a good income.

you can't just build up an elite guild and fund a war, like it is in the original game, so i still prefere this to any mod i found here.

but then again, who knows where you came from, TP, i think you never played aow1 where you just build units and nothing else in cities. so in that regard i think aow2 just included some generic buildings for eye candy and now some ppl make an obsession out of it.

Quoted from TP:

no, i mean wyvern hatchlings which have poison strike and venomious spit, these are lvl1 units cost 30 to build, 6 gold upkeep. 2 of them killed a dark angel without summoners aura or enchants in FC, both units survived too.

and i think its very wrong

[This message has been edited by DarkMystery (edited 08-03-2006 @ 07:45 AM).]

in dwiggs if u find some villages on the map u can build only barracs there and produce only lev1 units in capitol and win whole game, though it requires fast actions, advanced scouting and so on while some unreliability of this method cant be compensated at all, some time wasted and your army is obsolete , but u have much more time to complete such conquest than in any other mod. and i think if buildings were added to the game they must be useful, another advantage u can take any race and get strong magic while in 1.3/1.4 if u didnt take research or mana race - forget about mastery or lev4 summons so buildings helped to balance race bonuses system very much also in dwiggs u cant pick research races, build 20 outposts and have everything which is very good as huge number of draconians and archons in 1.3/1.4 games incredible boring.

in 1.4 or lets say mp mod 1.2, i just take dwarves wich are constructor race with constructor and expander.

they build outposts and magic shrines so fast that players are totally overwhelmed by rm and tanks. additonal rush 1 mana or research race.

like i did yesterdays game, rushing frostlings. building lvl4 there getting enough mana for enchants. while allready winning with tank+rm and completeing the the game while its not even turn50.

if there is not plenty of time to mass several stacks of good lvl4 there is no chance to stop RM. 5 of them proberly enchanted killed ver 10 leps. )

reapers were easy too since frall removed unholy champ of reapers. )

another game 2 days ago all the same was done with just goblins, rocs and tigrans. just build magic shrine.....

no one needs lvl4 summons or mastery if you conquer the map fast enough and i think 1.4/1.3 mp mod is pretty good without outpostbulding. ;-)