Air, I meant to retain the Gypsy Dancer, I think. Note that Drain will would work well with Slavers if you wanted to trap units

By the by, I'm sending out a "theta" version to all those who requested the beta. If you want the theta and don't get it, please send me an email at bradjosse@gmail.com It's a bit late here and in my sleepiness I may forget someone. This version will address most of the bugs, include all hero descriptions that I have, and add the latest images for the Demons and Fey Folk. Also, if a hero doesn't have a description in this version, he/she will need one, so post it here or email it to me if you want to try writing one

cheers,

bj

[This message has been edited by The_Stranger (edited 03-11-2006 @ 05:15 AM).]

Just from a SP point of view, I suggest including the other lvl4 units too....and I certainly hope the Gypsy dancer will be back. Such a great ILB!

With the possessed unit it has the "controlled" ability, which stats its under control of another unit. Is this "ability" nothing but flavor text? Or does it actually do something? Does another unit pop out when they are defeated? Or if you defeat their controller unit, do they die or switch sides or something?

We don't want too many units with poison immunity either.

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 03-12-2006 @ 06:45 PM).]

well the reasion is most obvious...its a death summon and most death summons have poison immunity/protection btw black angel is lvl4 death summon so why should it lack it? angels have other good stuff holy strike improved healing, the healing part is especially good on the global map(non combat) and when you have more than just 1 angel. in combat they are better than the average priest cause of superior movement, they can reach anything with ease and heal it.

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Its more important for lots of level fours to not have poison immunity then it is for lower level units. Yes level 4's are the best, but they need weaknesses or even just lack of immunities sometimes.

Would you want to give angels another immunity, if fallen angels are to get poison immunity? Do you believe angels are so weak as to need another immunity? Especially one as powerful as poison immunity?

Also FA have death strike and immunity. HA's (holy angels) holy strike and immunity isn't as good IMO as cursed means 50% more damage done.

I mean to hear some of you, I'd think you'd rather give level 4's immunity to everything with all sorts of 1337 abilities

What about the compromise of giving them poison protection at silver and immunity at gold?

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Angels should have to earn some things at gold, something should be moved to gold, resurrect/animate dead are two good candidates.

you should be seeing the Frost Giant and Gypsy dancer. This may be a recolouring issue. Certain units don't recolour all the time, and I'm still trying to figure out why. Try running UGPM again, as I think it was closing prematurely last time because one of the units needed to recolour (the panther) wasn't present. I've sent it with all theta emails

Purple, on the Poison immunity, I agree with you. I don't see any reason at all to make a Dark Angel poison immune. She doesn't work with poison, she is not undead, or a foul orc. She is more like a Dark Elf, fallen from beauty and goodness. But only Dark Elves that get poison immunity are ones that have poison attacks. As it their tendency, Air and Dark Mystery tend to campaign on behalf of the evil races Also, both Angels have a nice upgrade at gold now.

Air, I'll think about removing the Pestilence, or making it a buyable unit rather than summonable. I think your points are valid...if people don't really enjoy using it, then why have it? However, I would like more feedback

regards,

bj

Its fun to use...but it needs to be tweaked or removed. Unfortunately, infected is not a round-based affliction like cursed which can be extended to a specified number of rounds alone. So, leave resurgence as it is and remove infected...that way, it won't die too easily and the bugged parasite popping won't happen too!

The Spells.ILB needs to be fixed to incorporate all these new names for summons. A newbie will be not be overly thrilled to summon a Chaos Lord for 120 mana and learn it is called Pestilence!

On the Angels' front, I think the Holy one is far stronger than the Dark one too. But Death has Corpus Furia....man, I never knew that spell could have such devastating effect as in that last game. That is the perfect death spell for big battles!

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Otherwise with lots of units with the strike and magic attacks of the same type, death is better because it causes 50% more damage, and with death strike, having lots of units with it is no problem.

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 03-13-2006 @ 06:19 AM).]

In Dwiggs, holy strike is powerful due to the already low def of many units. In general, while def and res are, on average, lower in Dwiggs than in standard, def is lower than res. Vertigo is a killer!
And contrary to what you see in standard rules, its not expected to have many units with the same attack type of death or holy (unless playing Archons or Undead) and it is almost impossible to see more than two or three Angels (holy or dark) together unless it is a very long game with lots of players. Contrary to what people think, Dwiggs games do not last even as long as standard games with the same number of people so its important to play the mod and see what can be done before posting ideas/criticism (good or bad).
Just on a one-to-one comparison, Angel is much better with Resurrect and Healing compared to Animate Corpse and Life Stealing of the Dark one. A slight increase in damage or def would be ideal for the Dark one, IMO.

Though I must stress again, Death has corpus furia - a devastating spell when used correctly.

In Rise of Dwiggs1, there is a pestilence cloud that moves all over the underground, seemingly through solid stone (not even the dirt that can be tunnelled through).

Surely this is not right; if so, pestilence released into an enemy's area of underground becomes a very daunting weapon. Imagine conjuring up several at different points and loosing them...

I can't do anything about the pestilence cloud as far as I know, Kas, but I'll have another look at it in the editor.

Cheers,

bj

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really? i am not that impressed by that spell, its limited to 5-6 corpses per cast. it does not affect all corpses on the battlefield, and this makes it a crap spell in big battles.

i rather cast animate dead on dead mounted units to get 5-6 death knights, those i can move to to focus damage, instead getting random crap damage or dealing no damage at all cause of the randomness of corpus furia.

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Heh, it first glance it looked like you were going to give holy angels dark gift and some ability called "the dark" Will these be at medal?

I suggest angels get blessed at (gold?) medal(what would be more appropriate for an angel?), I also suggest blessed gives +1 +1 and death immunity. Considering dark gift is partially redundent with the dark angels death strike, maybe they could get poison immunity at the same medal (gold I assume)

Yes this would mean at gold medal holy angels would have an advantage over fallen angels. But its not just about battles between angels but other units as well. Especially since you guys say people only end up making a handful of angels in a game, and only some games.

dark gift is not needed on the dark angel, cause she has allready death strike and i am not a fan of giving enchantments on units with medals, but first poison immunity and dark gift on gold is better than the current situation.

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