[This message has been edited by Tearion (edited 06-30-2006 @ 08:14 AM).]

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Plus I had spend a good part of a post showing how you could compact data (like grouping 3-4 and 5-8 together) making the data shorter and easier to to use. You could have even simply put column 2 next to column 1 instead of below it. Not that I wanted to get into such minutia but I heard a bitter tone to your post and felt a need to explain myself.

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 06-30-2006 @ 08:32 AM).]

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Well, it would be time-consuming for me then but it's a good advice if there will be a need for me to show my test results.

[This message has been edited by Tearion (edited 06-30-2006 @ 10:03 AM).]

[This message has been edited by Tearion (edited 06-30-2006 @ 10:31 AM).]

really, can't bother with any critics, suggestions and so on if there is no final version to talk about availible for the public.

"...really, can't bother with any critics, suggestions and so on if there is no final version to talk about availible for the public."

Bravo! You said it all right there.

Finis...

And the reason these changes aren't officially being implementing is because the changes are in testing. Mod itself is still official release or what ever and still a refined product.

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 06-30-2006 @ 05:12 PM).]

It's frustrating for me to write something then have someone tell me that I'm "wrong" for holding an opinion that I never expressed. I didn't say player skill didn't matter. Clearly, it does. What I wrote was that because a player wins almost every game he plays doesn't mean his opinion should necessarily be valued above other players, just because it's his opinion. I'm trying to get people to offer explanations for their opinions, which will allow me to better understand how their ideas would function in the game rather than reading: "do this instead of that because I'm a better player than so and so." If these experts understand game mechanics so thoroughly, they should have no problem offering rationale for their thoughts and ideas. This obviously goes for me as well. Sorry if I sound annoyed but...I am

When this thread first began, it was full of people posting ideas they thought would be fun or cool or better for gameplay. It seems more and more to me that's turning into people trying to prove each other wrong, and I'm frustrated. New players will be very turned off when they come to this thread and find it full of so many bickering, insubstantial posts. Part of this is my fault, in that I should have had people post their suggestions by email then submitted those ideas that I thought might be useful to debate for public comment.

So, from this point onward if people have new unit suggestions or balance ideas, please email them to me at bradjosse@gmail.com

I think this thread would best be served from now on as a place where players can post questions, bugs, or gamplay issues. That means if you have a zillion reasons why a unit sucks or why a building is overpowered, please email it to me. If it's something that seems to have merit, I will post it here and ask for comments.

Having noted this, let me present a problem that many people are having and which Darkmystery alluded to: some units aren't showing up. It would be very helpful to me if we could compile a list of "invisible" units so that that we can figure out why they are not recolouring. I know this is frustrating a lot of people and I apologize for the issue. Also, if people want me to send them the graphics in question, I will do so.

Thanks,

Brad

[This message has been edited by The_Stranger (edited 06-30-2006 @ 08:57 PM).]

We might consider making a new thread for it, or a new thread for the new patch with links to the old thread. This thread is getting so long and its confusing to have talk about current and future versions in one thread.

BTW should I send you a email with what I've already said about dwarven veteran or is that post enough for a eventual reply from you?

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 06-30-2006 @ 09:09 PM).]

Units that don't appear in my Dwiggs 'copy':

- Frost Giant
- Zorbian Undead Rogue Hero
- Corrup Ent
- Giant Tick
- Gypsy Dancer
- Tame Lion
- Noctorn hero (missing Archon Ranger ilb)
- Carrious (missing Frost warrior ilb, 1st one in resource list)

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Have you had aow ever in a different folder then it is now? If so...

Start-> Run -> type in "regedit"

Do a search for aow. Look for any listings that point to aow being in the wrong folder. Delete them. If you deleted any & all such entries and after you have finished the aow registry search then reinstall dwiggs 1.4. That worked for me. (might even work to just manually run the dwiggs recoloring scripts, look in the download thread for how to do that-except the file is ugpm_scripts.txt in all lower case not what ever the thread says)

Alternatively you could uninstall AoW then reinstall it and reinstall everything else but the first method is faster.

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 07-03-2006 @ 04:40 PM).]

I think I'll just have to package the units with the patch. I thought that perhaps I had put a unit in the script that I hadn't included with the mod, and so the recolouring was stoping at this unit, but that doesn't seem to be the case....

I have got a new laptop and have downloaded Dwiggs there. I will try a fresh install and see if any problems are present.

Strange One...I am sorry!

Perhaps we will have to rename the script for the patch then?

And, of course, no worries, mate

I also notice one error when I ran it on a new installation -
_B_Undead_Vampire_Female -> A_nomadtemptress
Failed as the source ILB was not present.

All the units in Merk's list were visible to me - and I had none of the ILBs beforehand as this was a completely new installation on a new laptop

Also I'm a little surprised TL that you needed to rephrase what I had already said. Wasn't I clear enough that you had to repeat me?

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 07-03-2006 @ 06:20 AM).]

Thanks for that info, True Purple.

I understand the registry thing, but I'll let my programmer brother handle that one

(if some sort of verification will be made like Timelord said in post 1456, DO e-mail me as I can get my brother to help in the code of such a verification - he really just did a program with lots of different ways to check that)

Anyways, since I am learning modding I used the UGPM_gui.exe to make some missing ILBs - and it's quite easy to do so, much more than messing with registry for some people, so I will post how here.

Download UGPM_gui.exe(at http://www.hamletg.com/files/UGPM_gui_012.zip), install and run it, choose the "ugpm_script.txt", which will open a list of units and then select the following units, for each of them go to "Tools" and select "Create selected units":

- Frost Giant: 1.4frostgiant
- Noctorn (archon hero) : 1.4_vampirehunterhero
- Zorbian hero: A_mummyhero
- Corrup Ent : 1.4evilent
- Tame Lion: 1.4lion (I didn't realise this one was missing too before)
- Carrious (warrior frost hero): 1.4frostherowarrior

Units still missing (maybe I missed them if their name was not clear and I dont actually remember HOW some unit looked):

- Giant Tick: this one shows in the editor, but not in game last I checked, though I'm not sure.
- Gypsy Dancer: maybe Stranger could tell us what is the name of the ilb for this one? I don't recall how the unit looks like.

Miscellaneous:

- Storm Lord, Jilted Hag and Wyvern (3 of the latter on editor): they are currently using Halberdier ILB.

Frostling path and nothing also, but I'm not sure these are even used in the Mod. 'path' unit is in 8 different places in the editor?? Next to other unrelated units. Weird?!

About Wyrm SS I didn't experience that one myself.

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[This message has been edited by Merkraad (edited 07-03-2006 @ 11:12 AM).]

Unit slots can't be deleted once made. Stranger said he made some units that he changed his mind about. So I suppose he decided instead of leaving those units as they were he made them into path units. Though the reasoning beyond that is uncertain to me since it means extra work changing the unit over to another. Where he could just indicate that its a open space via name/graphic.

The wrong graphic units are also most certainly empty slot spots.

[This message has been edited by TruePurple (edited 07-03-2006 @ 04:38 PM).]

Gypsy Dancer is NOT included in the ugpm_Scrupt.txt Stranger sent for some of us along with Dwiggs(test)patch. Her ILB is in the 'old'normal Dwiggs1.4 sript: 'A_nomadtemptress; which is a recolor of '_B_Undead_Vampire_Female'

Well the 'path' weird units are not in-game, but those 'halberdier' wyverns are. Maybe Stranger can comment on this and the issues raised in my previous post?

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As for the missing units, the tick and storm lord, I think a reinstall will fix that, Merk.

Look for the patch in a week or two

Just saying that towns need to produse more gold since troops cost more and for 3rd or 4th lvl units u need to have city size. And income structures could be rather 30 than 15. That would make games much faster too.

Banish and bind summons to 8 and 10 att could work better.

[This message has been edited by Munataros (edited 07-07-2006 @ 04:16 PM).]

This time static shield from wyrms didnt disappear ever, seems bug isnt that simple as i expected

Can nature quests be changet, there always come some razing quest.

I have no idea why the Static Shield dissapeared on the Wrym! I've never seen that happen before...

I think the damage on both Bind and Banish Summons could certainly be increased. But increasing the attack would complicate a lot of things: earth summons have very low resist, for example, and it would suck for a player to have their E. Elementals banished easily for the current low price of the spell.

Air, what resource set were you using for that save that you sent me?

Cheers,

bj

Static shield bug on wyrm solved : if wyrm enter town with hall of enchantment it will lost static shield when leave it.

[This message has been edited by Air_warlord (edited 07-08-2006 @ 06:46 PM).]

U can always cast summoners aura which give +4 res and dark gift and stone skin gives one in this mod. Bless gives 2. Damage increase could work too if banish would do dmg 10-15, since its half bigger cost than most attack spells.

I am surprised I never heard of this bug before. It's a real one and has nothing to do with Dwiggs in particular. The standard v1.3 (or v1.4, for that matter) have the same issue.

Since the inherent Bless does stick on a unit (White Knight), when it walks through a city with LIFE sphere Enchantment Hall, I think it has something to do with a late switch in programming. Initially, Liquid form was the enchantment given for Water. Static shield came later(you can see the manual stating liquid form) and it must not have been properly coded in.
Not sure yet, though.

I see no direct solution to this problem (seems hardcoded) so I guess we have to live with it. Given the fact that we only figured this out 3 years after release, I guess it wasn't such a big issue.
Someone creative could probably find a reasoning for this happening as well...
Anyone?

[This message has been edited by swolte (edited 07-08-2006 @ 07:27 PM).]