Yes! I think Mastery Spell should reamin in spell book but it should be changed to be more like in AoW I times.But if Stranger and other strange people ain't willing to change it, then it shouldn't stay in book and I'm willing to say No darnWay!.In my opinion that spell is boring in the way it is now.

Nothing to do with balance, I just don't like the way it works.

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I and I shouldnt say that I dont play the undead, I just dont win with the undead. Orcs, Dwarves, Archons, they all trounce the undead. But in a two on two situation I think the undead are a very powerfull allie. Perhaps we could try something like that out. Or even a 3 on 3 depending on whos available.

Cheers
SB

I'll tabulate the Mastery Results above.

No, it's not possible to change the spell. Removing it would mean that a player would get all his sphere's spells.

The indies stay the same: they own it until they are killed. The node assumes the features of its sphere.

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You mean for those whos spheres selection would need to be moved to cosmo sphere in order to keep all 5's? How many spheres would that be the case in with level 4 spells?

But can the spell slot itself be used for another spell?

What did you think of my item ideas and stuff?

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msn is a good way to contact me or gmails chat feature, my msn is the same as my gmail address except @hotmail.com. I also have you on ICQ but I've never seen you online.

do you use teamspeak or ventrilo by any chance? Most of us are going to be in the same room, and anyone who cant make it locally can use teamspeak.

Anychance we can get kaskoid, air, swolte, or really anyone else to join us? I'd love to get a game in with anyone from these forums..

so just a reminder to anyone just reading this,
This Friday, 6:00pm pst.
open gaming on dwiggs,

We usually play with full Turnbased Combat, even against the comp. We try to pick maps that dont have an overwhelming amount of neutrals to hack through, or just go Randoms. And so far we either do 2on2s or 3 player FFA, but we are open to any style of play.

Haven't done online up to now; would love to do a 2 on 2 or 3 on 3. What is procedure?

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Btw count my vote 5 times, since others votes dont have any argumentation

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Someone said that it's to powerful because it alters all nodes even on 3 levels (surf, ug, shadow world) - well, it's called *MASTERY*. Not to mention that it costs huge in research and in casting.

I think that this issue is related to the current spell distribution Dwiggs has. I mean, if they would be removed to provide room for one more spell, I don't think that is a reason.

I downloaded the AoW 1 manual couple days ago, it was nice to see that for example Life Mastery would make Death spells cost double, and when any mastery was cast, you would get a unit/ elemental at each node too. But that's not possible in AoW : SM, only Air Mastery increase flying units movement as an extra effect.

There are spells which I think CAN be removed from the game, instead of mastery, if the goal is making the spell distribution more like 5 spells per level, which I think SHOULD be done, in my opinion. I don't particularly like being Earth Specialist and never getting Stone Skin... but that's me, not having a certain spell guaranteed (like Air Spec and Wind Ward) changes a lot the gameplay because of that expectation.

Ideas:

- Air: remove Recall Hero (lvl2), it could be cosmos.
- Earth: Remove Level Terrain (lvl2). Maybe even Raise Terrain (lvl3).Did anyone ever even used those spells? I have, and IIRIC, their use is very limited.
- Fire: Not sure here. I don't like Wildfire, but some players do.Some spells like Forge Blast (lvl3) or Anarchy (lvl2)might not be missed; AI uses it much more often than humans...
- Water: Mist Cloak (lvl1)? Nothing can contribute to sneaking if you still see a hero domain...
- Life: hard to choose with 7 level 3 spells. I think Resurgence (lvl4) is hard to see in games, and kinda unfair in heroes because they can keep resurging.
- Death: Animate Dead (lvl3) is the most useless spell in my opinion.Need one more maybe City Plague

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This is another spell; Haste Domain, not Mastery.

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Level terrain now costs 20 mana in dwiggs instead of 50 in original. I think it can be useful to cut a path for your army if you wish to pass a mountain chain. Raise Terrain could be useful to block passages in to your domain, it costs 50 mana, 80 in original. If those spells are not useful enough they should get lower mana cost so you can cast more and get better effect.

Fire has 3 city spells; Forge Blast, Wither and Anarchy and that's 2 much. And I've never used Mist Cloak.

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No, Resurgence is not unfair, compare it to other spells. It's hard to see in game because it's lvl 4. Remove Turn Undead instead.

City Spell, Shadow Walking, Shadow Shift and Spell Ward should be removed or moved to secret sphere.

Anyone knows if Power Leak drain gold or mana and how much %?

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To be honest kaskoid, so far I havnt done anything more extravegent than a 2on2 except for the occasional 3player ffa, and we almost always lan the game.
I would love a 3 on 3, if you and stranger show up, we can do us 3 Vs 3 of my friends that would be fun.

We have alot of variation in skill, including someone who just started the game 3 weeks ago so I sure we can make some balanced teams.

Anyways looking forward to this friday
SB

No time for a lengthy post, but Animate Dead is probably the worst spell in the game.

Timelord...good sir...if I change my mind and indicate that I want Mastery, will you change yours and state that you don't? Anyhow, I've updated the poll. I assume Air is for them staying, but he hasn't commented officially yet for the purposes of this poll.

TP, I'll respond to your item ideas in an email.

Cheers,

BJ

So, while Mastery spells are powerful, they are not as powerful as in AOW1 where they can have side-effects on their own.
Balanced? I would certainly say so, though increasing the casting cost a little might make them better balanced.
Bad enough to be removed? Certainly not.

I still feel that changes should reflect only balance suggestions...if we are going down the path of like/don't like, the tracks are likely slippery and a derailment cannot be ruled out.

...and Strange One, you are far too cynical of my suggestions

...and is nobody going to watch soccer tonight?!!

Note to anyone who would like to play tommmorrow (friday) night:

I'd like to test a patch I've been working on. It's small (1mb) and easy to install (extract two files). If that sounds workable, I'll email it to all interested parties tommorrow morning. It should, among other things, improve the Undead. I may even play them....

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Stranger, if you want to test a patch, I can do that too, or instead, or whatever...

Let me know ASAP; I will clear the decks for action tonight.

Soon as we set up the comps I'll make another post and see whos around.

Kaskoid do u use msn or have u ever used Teamspeak?

btw stranger I'd love to try the new patch out, especially if it helps the undead!

Cheers
SB

bradjosse@hotmail.com

I'll send you the patch now and you can share it round.

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Anyways I tried to reinstall it, Im not sure if it still gives the unable to alter ILB errors, since the window text flies by now with a "1.4 install complete!" But all the same units are invisable.

Invisable units
Green wyvern, Frost giant, Moonstone Joe, Magician, Tame lion, Corrupt ent. (thats most of them I think)

Along with a number of invisable heroes.

BTW, I found 9 path units under "frostlings"

Also, please send me the patch stranger.

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If any of you are having invisible units, please send a list of them to my email id (in profile). Posting here might be of help but it is entirely possible that I will miss those posts in this multitude.
If any corrections are necessary, these will be done only with the patch Stranger has been working on and not separately.

The heroes are more difficult, because the images for the heroes don't come with names so I can't just look through the editor for any hero who's graphic doesn't show and write it down (or at least I don't know how) Is the only way to determine which hero graphic belongs to which hero by comparing relative position in list in resources compared to library? Problem is, that doesn't even work for me after the first row because only the first row match up.

Would you be willing to send me the ILB's of those units so that I might see them?

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